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		<title>By: lighthouse10</title>
		<link>http://ecotechdaily.com/2009/11/20/the-daily-five-friday-20-november-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-2166</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Secondly, about the news you give regarding cap and trade applied only to power stations&lt;br&gt;- that&#039;s progress!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Cap and trade is still wrong, as explained below&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The key is to engage in activites which&lt;br&gt;1. Are valuable in themselves.&lt;br&gt;2. Meet emission reduction targets with minimal business disruption and expense.&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ceolas.net/#cc1x&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.ceolas.net/#cc1x&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sufficient first phase 2020/2030 emission reduction, for 2020&lt;br&gt;typically quoted at 15-20% reduction, is achieved by acting on&lt;br&gt;electricity generation (coal, gas) and transport (mainly automobiles)&lt;br&gt;alone, since these 2 sectors account for nearly 80% of CO2 emissions.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Basically,&lt;br&gt;Power stations have phased-in emission limits on CO2, as with mercury&lt;br&gt;or other emission  substances.&lt;br&gt;Cars have emission taxation&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The focus on electricity and transport gives several advantages:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1. Local environmental benefit from less pollution of sulphur and all&lt;br&gt;else that&#039;s in the emissions, regardless of the less certain or&lt;br&gt;immediate global benefit from CO2 reduction.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2. Electricity supply alternatives which together with improved grid&lt;br&gt;distribution gives better competition and keeps down electricity bills&lt;br&gt;for consumers.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;3. Transport alternatives (using electricity, hydrogen and other&lt;br&gt;energy sources), which give variety of choice and competition&lt;br&gt;advantages for consumers, additionally reducing the dependency on oil&lt;br&gt;imports.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;4. No trade problems: Unlike Cap and Trade, which involves cement,&lt;br&gt;steel and other industries having to face imports from unregulated&lt;br&gt;countries, the suggested electricity and transport changes are not&lt;br&gt;just more limited, but also largely local.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;5. Less bloated bills - a clearer focus for political discussion and agreement&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In 2020 &lt;br&gt;(and again 2030), from then available evidence, either&lt;br&gt;1. There is increasing consensus that reduction attempts have no&lt;br&gt;value: In that case little has been lost, since the described changes&lt;br&gt;in electricity and transport industry carry their own benefit&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;or&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2. Consensus remains that CO2 emission reduction should continue, in&lt;br&gt;which case the policy is on track, and may continue with emission&lt;br&gt;reduction towards 2050 that extend electricity and transport measures&lt;br&gt;and can involve other industries, if necessary.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;------&lt;br&gt;Funding and Impact&lt;br&gt;Equity and long term loan finance can be used: Long term industrial&lt;br&gt;loans from financial institutions, particularly if federal/state&lt;br&gt;guaranteed, give low yearly interest repayments and lessen the effect&lt;br&gt;on electricity bills or transport cost.&lt;br&gt;The impact on the businesses is further lessened by the stability and&lt;br&gt;predictability surrounding the funding.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Since only electricity and transport are involved, other business&lt;br&gt;continues as usual and consumers and society in general are spared&lt;br&gt;expense and disruption&lt;br&gt;- also from not having energy efficiency regulations&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;-----------------&lt;br&gt;Why Cap and Trade and energy efficiency regulations are the&lt;br&gt;wrong way to deal with emissions&lt;br&gt;Emission Policy Alternatives&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ceolas.net/#cce1x&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.ceolas.net/#cce1x&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Introduction:&lt;br&gt;The need - or not - to deal with emissions&lt;br&gt;The Overall Picture&lt;br&gt;Emission sources, land and ocean cycles, agriculture and deforestation&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1. Direct Industrial Emission Regulation&lt;br&gt;Mandated reduction of CO2, monitored like other emission substances&lt;br&gt;2. Carbon Taxation&lt;br&gt;Fuel Tax -- Emission Tax&lt;br&gt;3. Emission Trading  (Cap and Trade)&lt;br&gt;Basic Idea -- Offsets -- Tree Planting -- Manufacture Shift -- Fair&lt;br&gt;Trade -- Surreal Market -- Allowances: Auctions + Hand-Outs --&lt;br&gt;Allowance Trading -- Companies: Business Stability + Cost -- In&lt;br&gt;Conclusion&lt;br&gt;4. Contracted CO2 Reduction&lt;br&gt;Private companies compete for contracts to lower CO2 emissions</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Secondly, about the news you give regarding cap and trade applied only to power stations<br />- that&#39;s progress!</p>
<p>Cap and trade is still wrong, as explained below</p>
<p>The key is to engage in activites which<br />1. Are valuable in themselves.<br />2. Meet emission reduction targets with minimal business disruption and expense.<br /><a href="http://www.ceolas.net/#cc1x" rel="nofollow">http://www.ceolas.net/#cc1x</a></p>
<p>Sufficient first phase 2020/2030 emission reduction, for 2020<br />typically quoted at 15-20% reduction, is achieved by acting on<br />electricity generation (coal, gas) and transport (mainly automobiles)<br />alone, since these 2 sectors account for nearly 80% of CO2 emissions.</p>
<p>Basically,<br />Power stations have phased-in emission limits on CO2, as with mercury<br />or other emission  substances.<br />Cars have emission taxation</p>
<p>The focus on electricity and transport gives several advantages:</p>
<p>1. Local environmental benefit from less pollution of sulphur and all<br />else that&#39;s in the emissions, regardless of the less certain or<br />immediate global benefit from CO2 reduction.</p>
<p>2. Electricity supply alternatives which together with improved grid<br />distribution gives better competition and keeps down electricity bills<br />for consumers.</p>
<p>3. Transport alternatives (using electricity, hydrogen and other<br />energy sources), which give variety of choice and competition<br />advantages for consumers, additionally reducing the dependency on oil<br />imports.</p>
<p>4. No trade problems: Unlike Cap and Trade, which involves cement,<br />steel and other industries having to face imports from unregulated<br />countries, the suggested electricity and transport changes are not<br />just more limited, but also largely local.</p>
<p>5. Less bloated bills &#8211; a clearer focus for political discussion and agreement</p>
<p>In 2020 <br />(and again 2030), from then available evidence, either<br />1. There is increasing consensus that reduction attempts have no<br />value: In that case little has been lost, since the described changes<br />in electricity and transport industry carry their own benefit</p>
<p>or</p>
<p>2. Consensus remains that CO2 emission reduction should continue, in<br />which case the policy is on track, and may continue with emission<br />reduction towards 2050 that extend electricity and transport measures<br />and can involve other industries, if necessary.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;<br />Funding and Impact<br />Equity and long term loan finance can be used: Long term industrial<br />loans from financial institutions, particularly if federal/state<br />guaranteed, give low yearly interest repayments and lessen the effect<br />on electricity bills or transport cost.<br />The impact on the businesses is further lessened by the stability and<br />predictability surrounding the funding.</p>
<p>Since only electricity and transport are involved, other business<br />continues as usual and consumers and society in general are spared<br />expense and disruption<br />- also from not having energy efficiency regulations</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />Why Cap and Trade and energy efficiency regulations are the<br />wrong way to deal with emissions<br />Emission Policy Alternatives<br /><a href="http://www.ceolas.net/#cce1x" rel="nofollow">http://www.ceolas.net/#cce1x</a></p>
<p>Introduction:<br />The need &#8211; or not &#8211; to deal with emissions<br />The Overall Picture<br />Emission sources, land and ocean cycles, agriculture and deforestation</p>
<p>1. Direct Industrial Emission Regulation<br />Mandated reduction of CO2, monitored like other emission substances<br />2. Carbon Taxation<br />Fuel Tax &#8212; Emission Tax<br />3. Emission Trading  (Cap and Trade)<br />Basic Idea &#8212; Offsets &#8212; Tree Planting &#8212; Manufacture Shift &#8212; Fair<br />Trade &#8212; Surreal Market &#8212; Allowances: Auctions + Hand-Outs &#8211;<br />Allowance Trading &#8212; Companies: Business Stability + Cost &#8212; In<br />Conclusion<br />4. Contracted CO2 Reduction<br />Private companies compete for contracts to lower CO2 emissions</p>
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		<title>By: lighthouse10</title>
		<link>http://ecotechdaily.com/2009/11/20/the-daily-five-friday-20-november-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-2165</link>
		<dc:creator>lighthouse10</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,&lt;br&gt;First of all, about the California TV ban&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Are you guys in the &#039;Free America&#039; or are you wannabees to join our Bureaucratic ban-loving EU? :-)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Either way,&lt;br&gt;Governor Schwarzenegger is shooting himself in the foot!&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;1.  Taxation, while still not justified, is better for everyone if politicians really believe that targeting these products gives any worthwhile energy savings.&lt;br&gt;TV set taxation based on energy efficiency - unlike bans - gives Governor Schwarzenegger&#039;s impoverished California Government income on the reduced sales, while consumers keep choice.&lt;br&gt;This also applies generally,&lt;br&gt;to CARS (with emission tax or gas tax), BUILDINGS, DISHWASHERS, LIGHT BULBS etc,&lt;br&gt;where politicians instead keep trying to define what people can or can&#039;t use.&lt;br&gt;Politicians can use the tax money raised to fund home insulation schemes, renewable projects etc that lower energy use and emissions more than remaining product use raises them.&lt;br&gt;Also, the energy efficient products can have their sales taxes lowered.&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;2.  Product regulation, bans or taxation, are however unwarranted: &lt;br&gt;Where there is a problem - deal with the problem!&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;Energy: there is no energy shortage&lt;br&gt; (given renewable/nuclear development possibilities, with set emission limits)&lt;br&gt;and consumers - not politicians - pay for energy and how they wish to use it.&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;It might sound great to &lt;br&gt;&quot;Let everyone save money by only allowing energy efficient products&quot;&lt;br&gt;However:&lt;br&gt;Inefficient products that use more energy can have performance, appearance and construction advantages &lt;br&gt;Examples (using cars, buildings, dishwashers, TV sets, light bulbs etc):&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://ceolas.net/#cc211x&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://ceolas.net/#cc211x&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br&gt;For example,  big plasma TV screens have image contrast and other advantages along with the bigger image sizes.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;Products using more energy usually cost less, or they&#039;d be more energy efficient already.&lt;br&gt;Depending on how much they are used, there might therefore not be any running cost savings either.&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;Other factors contribute to a lack of savings:&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;If households use less energy, &lt;br&gt;then utility companies make less money,&lt;br&gt;and will just raise electricity prices to cover their costs. &lt;br&gt;So people don&#039;t save as much money as they thought.&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;Conversely, &lt;br&gt;energy efficiency in effect means cheaper energy,&lt;br&gt;so people just leave TV sets etc on more, knowing that energy bills are lower,&lt;br&gt;as also shown by Scottish and Cambridge research&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://ceolas.net/#cc214x&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://ceolas.net/#cc214x&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;Either way, supposed energy - or money -  savings aren&#039;t there.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;---------------------- &lt;br&gt;Why energy efficiency regulations are wrong,&lt;br&gt;whether you are for or against energy and emission conservation&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://ceolas.net/#cc2x&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://ceolas.net/#cc2x&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;Summary&lt;br&gt;Politicians don&#039;t object to energy efficiency as it sounds too good to be true. It is.&lt;br&gt;--The Consumer Side&lt;br&gt;Product Performance -- Construction and Appearance&lt;br&gt;Price Increase -- Lack of Actual Savings: Money, Energy or Emissions.  Choice and Quality affected&lt;br&gt;-- The Manufacturer Side&lt;br&gt;Meeting Consumer Demand -- Green Technology -- Green Marketing&lt;br&gt;--The Energy Side&lt;br&gt;Energy Supply -- Energy Security -- Cars and Oil Dependence&lt;br&gt;--The Emission Side  &lt;br&gt;Buildings -- Industry -- Power Stations -- Light Bulbs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,<br />First of all, about the California TV ban</p>
<p>Are you guys in the &#39;Free America&#39; or are you wannabees to join our Bureaucratic ban-loving EU? <img src='http://ecotechdaily.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Either way,<br />Governor Schwarzenegger is shooting himself in the foot!</p>
<p>1.  Taxation, while still not justified, is better for everyone if politicians really believe that targeting these products gives any worthwhile energy savings.<br />TV set taxation based on energy efficiency &#8211; unlike bans &#8211; gives Governor Schwarzenegger&#39;s impoverished California Government income on the reduced sales, while consumers keep choice.<br />This also applies generally,<br />to CARS (with emission tax or gas tax), BUILDINGS, DISHWASHERS, LIGHT BULBS etc,<br />where politicians instead keep trying to define what people can or can&#39;t use.<br />Politicians can use the tax money raised to fund home insulation schemes, renewable projects etc that lower energy use and emissions more than remaining product use raises them.<br />Also, the energy efficient products can have their sales taxes lowered.</p>
<p>2.  Product regulation, bans or taxation, are however unwarranted: <br />Where there is a problem &#8211; deal with the problem!</p>
<p>Energy: there is no energy shortage<br /> (given renewable/nuclear development possibilities, with set emission limits)<br />and consumers &#8211; not politicians &#8211; pay for energy and how they wish to use it.</p>
<p>It might sound great to <br />&#8220;Let everyone save money by only allowing energy efficient products&#8221;<br />However:<br />Inefficient products that use more energy can have performance, appearance and construction advantages <br />Examples (using cars, buildings, dishwashers, TV sets, light bulbs etc):<br /><a href="http://ceolas.net/#cc211x" rel="nofollow">http://ceolas.net/#cc211x</a> <br />For example,  big plasma TV screens have image contrast and other advantages along with the bigger image sizes.</p>
<p>Products using more energy usually cost less, or they&#39;d be more energy efficient already.<br />Depending on how much they are used, there might therefore not be any running cost savings either.</p>
<p>Other factors contribute to a lack of savings:</p>
<p>If households use less energy, <br />then utility companies make less money,<br />and will just raise electricity prices to cover their costs. <br />So people don&#39;t save as much money as they thought.</p>
<p>Conversely, <br />energy efficiency in effect means cheaper energy,<br />so people just leave TV sets etc on more, knowing that energy bills are lower,<br />as also shown by Scottish and Cambridge research<br /><a href="http://ceolas.net/#cc214x" rel="nofollow">http://ceolas.net/#cc214x</a></p>
<p>Either way, supposed energy &#8211; or money &#8211;  savings aren&#39;t there.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;- <br />Why energy efficiency regulations are wrong,<br />whether you are for or against energy and emission conservation<br /><a href="http://ceolas.net/#cc2x" rel="nofollow">http://ceolas.net/#cc2x</a><br />Summary<br />Politicians don&#39;t object to energy efficiency as it sounds too good to be true. It is.<br />&#8211;The Consumer Side<br />Product Performance &#8212; Construction and Appearance<br />Price Increase &#8212; Lack of Actual Savings: Money, Energy or Emissions.  Choice and Quality affected<br />&#8211; The Manufacturer Side<br />Meeting Consumer Demand &#8212; Green Technology &#8212; Green Marketing<br />&#8211;The Energy Side<br />Energy Supply &#8212; Energy Security &#8212; Cars and Oil Dependence<br />&#8211;The Emission Side  <br />Buildings &#8212; Industry &#8212; Power Stations &#8212; Light Bulbs</p>
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